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Mariana Felz 3 months ago3 months ago
I understand that our society needs more teachers but doing away with exams like the CBEST and CSET are not the answer to the teacher shortage. I have seen many teachers, especially secondary single-subject credential holders, who have little mastery of their content and have trouble engaging students in the material as a result, especially in social studies. I believe we risk sacrificing quality teaching if these exams are waived or can be substituted with … Read More
I understand that our society needs more teachers but doing away with exams like the CBEST and CSET are not the answer to the teacher shortage.
I have seen many teachers, especially secondary single-subject credential holders, who have little mastery of their content and have trouble engaging students in the material as a result, especially in social studies. I believe we risk sacrificing quality teaching if these exams are waived or can be substituted with coursework as in my experience they really do test one’s mastery of a subject in a way coursework does not. And, most well educated and well prepared potential teachers can realistically expect to and do pass them all the time. People who cannot pass them, even after multiple attempts, are not necessarily lacking in intelligence or even knowledge of course, but perhaps aren’t up to the task of teaching as a profession. Desire and will sometimes is not enough.
I have my BA in early childhood development and just started credentialing program. I am planning on teaching TK. I earned A’s in reading and writing which helps with my CBEST however only got C’s in math. Can I take a math class at the UC to qualify for this or does it have to be part of my BA? I admit math is very difficult for me. I took the CBEST and didn’t pass the math part. Please help!
Bora 2 years ago2 years ago
I have worked as teacher assistant for 33 years. I spent 16 years going part-time to college and university for BA degree. In 2007, I earned Bachelor degree in Liberal of Arts. I had a dream that I wanted to be a teacher some days. My dream did not come true. I have tried many times to take CBEST but the only section I passed was Math. I have attempted to retake the … Read More
I have worked as teacher assistant for 33 years. I spent 16 years going part-time to college and university for BA degree. In 2007, I earned Bachelor degree in Liberal of Arts. I had a dream that I wanted to be a teacher some days. My dream did not come true. I have tried many times to take CBEST but the only section I passed was Math. I have attempted to retake the Reading and Writing sections over and over, but still no success. In August 24, 2022 I took reading part again, the score still was not improved. Now I realized that just because English is my second language, my Bachelor degree that I earned is useless.
my son has his bachelor degree in teaching elementary, has passed CBEST, CSET, RICA but failed the edTPA and can’t redo it without a class. So how can he get a waiver to teach so he would have the opportunity to redo the edTPA?
Dolores Rivera 2 years ago2 years ago
I went to Cal State University for many years because I was disabled in hard of hearing, and I finish my B.A and my Master's Degree, but I'm still teaching in ECE because I can't passed the CBEST, CSET, and I have a big student loan. I try to apply for the new teachers' program. I don't mind doing all the credential program classes again, but I still have to struggle with trying to passed … Read More
I went to Cal State University for many years because I was disabled in hard of hearing, and I finish my B.A and my Master’s Degree, but I’m still teaching in ECE because I can’t passed the CBEST, CSET, and I have a big student loan.
I try to apply for the new teachers’ program. I don’t mind doing all the credential program classes again, but I still have to struggle with trying to passed the CSET, and the RICA? This got me very depressed. It is very hard to clear the credential. And on top of this they required 400 hours of field experience without working. I don’t think I can do this. Very sad.
This entire situation has been a huge mess. If you don’t have a degree that exactly aligns with a subject the CTC offers teacher credentials in, you’re out of luck. So let’s say you have a degree in psychology or ethnic studies, the CTC will not allow you to meet subject matter competency because it is not an exact match. Even worse, if your degree falls under the subsection of social sciences or social studies … Read More
This entire situation has been a huge mess. If you don’t have a degree that exactly aligns with a subject the CTC offers teacher credentials in, you’re out of luck. So let’s say you have a degree in psychology or ethnic studies, the CTC will not allow you to meet subject matter competency because it is not an exact match. Even worse, if your degree falls under the subsection of social sciences or social studies specifically, the CTC is not even going to allow those degrees to be considered.
This new regulation has only helped a select few and has left many people without any options besides the CSET exam. I recommend emailing the CTC and sharing your thoughts and concerns. This has been a huge disappointment.
Monique 2 years ago2 years ago
You're absolutely right about the subject area that your degree was awarded in; because I am facing a similar challenge. Even with my Master's Degree in Business; not every high school offers business classes and so on. CSULB has this option and hopefully for those who need this as well, check and see if your school has an option similar to this one. Good luck everyone!To Submit an Evaluation Request for Coursework in … Read More
You’re absolutely right about the subject area that your degree was awarded in; because I am facing a similar challenge. Even with my Master’s Degree in Business; not every high school offers business classes and so on. CSULB has this option and hopefully for those who need this as well, check and see if your school has an option similar to this one. Good luck everyone!
To Submit an Evaluation Request for Coursework in place of Multiple Subject CSET Subtests, or hold an approved interdisciplinary degree that includes coursework in the content areas pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 44282. Assembly Bill (AB) 130 added several additional options for candidates to demonstrate subject matter proficiency to the existing options. Other new options for demonstration of subject matter include the following:
Completion of coursework addressing each of the Commission-adopted subject matter domains.
Completion of a combination of coursework and examination(s) that meets or exceeds the subject matter domains.
I would like to know what kind of school you suggest to in order to pass the CBEST?
Teacher in The Valley 2 years ago2 years ago
I just took the Math section again and did better than the first time. I think they moved the goalposts since I last took the exam before lockdown. I have my master’s in Ed and my subject matter. I taught for 15 years in NJ in one district and retired with a pension. I currently teach at a school I really like and the State is making me miserable with these Exams. Someone please Help. Thanks.
Are you in an approved teacher prep program? Not that you need the program; however, for example, I lived out of state for a while and completed a teacher program and exams out of state. In the brochure; https://www.ctc.ca.gov/credentials/leaflets/basic-skills-requirement-(cl-667), it discusses other options you can use in place of the CBEST. It worked for me as I took another NES Essential Skills Test. #6 says; Pass a Basic Skills Examination from … Read More
Are you in an approved teacher prep program? Not that you need the program; however, for example, I lived out of state for a while and completed a teacher program and exams out of state. In the brochure; https://www.ctc.ca.gov/credentials/leaflets/basic-skills-requirement-(cl-667), it discusses other options you can use in place of the CBEST. It worked for me as I took another NES Essential Skills Test. #6 says; Pass a Basic Skills Examination from Another State
Hopefully whatever information that you need, you can find on their website. Good luck!
Matt 2 years ago2 years ago
Other professions such as law and medicine have tests for licensure. Tests alone don’t make you a lawyer or doctor, but there needs to be there needs to be a baseline for credentialism and the programs that are supposed to be training for licensure.Which is the absurdity of this new law. One criticism of teacher credential programs is that they are highly variable and there is no standardization. Before this law, if these programs were … Read More
Other professions such as law and medicine have tests for licensure. Tests alone don’t make you a lawyer or doctor, but there needs to be there needs to be a baseline for credentialism and the programs that are supposed to be training for licensure.
Which is the absurdity of this new law. One criticism of teacher credential programs is that they are highly variable and there is no standardization. Before this law, if these programs were supposed to be preparing teacher to meet a standard, but evidently are not based upon the first time pass rate below 70%, why are they now then essentially being allowed to set the standard?
Assuming the tests are at an appropriate level, at below 70%, but above 90% with certain groups on the second attempt, that’s a system failure with credential programs. If people are passing at 90% the second time, why weren’t they performing the first time? That’s entirely preparation.
The worst programs with high failure rates should have lost their accreditation, for either being ineffective or predatory. Now that’s impossible to evaluate.
I am an educator and am disheartened that they are abolishing these tests. If future teachers are having difficulty passing the CBEST (which is by far the easiest of the exams), how can school expect them to be prepared to teach "new math"? The CSET is challenging - it should be! It is further preparation for a constantly shifting, high-pressure field. The RICA is difficult as well (again, with good reason).There is a tremendous flaw … Read More
I am an educator and am disheartened that they are abolishing these tests. If future teachers are having difficulty passing the CBEST (which is by far the easiest of the exams), how can school expect them to be prepared to teach “new math”?
The CSET is challenging – it should be! It is further preparation for a constantly shifting, high-pressure field. The RICA is difficult as well (again, with good reason).
There is a tremendous flaw in doing away with tests and relying on college/credential program grades. As an adjunct prof., I can personally speak to the pressure higher education is under to give an A, deserved or not. We cannot possibly use that as a reliable metric by which to judge a candidate’s readiness for the classroom.
Alternative routes can be found, but they need to be real and until that time tests need to remain – and this is coming from someone who struggles taking tests! We keep lowering the bar (and stagnating the pay) and then wonder what the problem is. The system is broken and until we truly address it, we won’t see lasting change.
Mayra 2 years ago2 years ago
I just checked since I took the CBEST and didn’t pass any of them and my score was a high of 79 for all 3 and I checked my community college classes and my classes are in good standing and even though I checked how my English 103 meets both critical thinking and composition for reading and writing but my math classes aren’t good other than my geology class which is stated under math as well does it even qualify
I’m California State University graduate with BA. I do have all required courses including math and other classes to opt out from CBEST. Where do I start? Please advise.
I have done my Masters's from India and converted my transcripts according to the stds here. I don't know how to explain to them that I have enough credits as my transcripts just say that I have an A grade in English I and English II. They need an explanation letter from the registrar that i have enough credits, but i finished my degree long back and i don't know from whom would I get … Read More
I have done my Masters’s from India and converted my transcripts according to the stds here. I don’t know how to explain to them that I have enough credits as my transcripts just say that I have an A grade in English I and English II. They need an explanation letter from the registrar that i have enough credits, but i finished my degree long back and i don’t know from whom would I get the letter. is there anyone who has some info?
Ginny 2 years ago2 years ago
I have the same problem. I also have two Bachelors and a masters degree. I am qualified for the basic skills requirement test. The problem is I have English on my transcripts for all three years.
I have no idea how to explain them I am eligible to meet BSR.
Please help!!!!!Hi, I too from Hyderabad, INDIA, I did MS, MA, B.Ed, and Ph.D., and my bachelor/master/ Bachelor of Education/Ph.D. is in Physics. Further, I have cleared PRAXIS in physics. I am wondering that should I take CSET to teach in California? Without CSET would I get approval to teach? Please reach out to me at lakshmikanthnaidu85@gmail.com. Thanks
Will 2 years ago2 years ago
Here we are almost 3 months later and 99.99% of the universities that have teaching credential institutions have no idea how to even look at your transcripts to waive the CSET. Or, they say your area of study is not their area of emphasis so we can’t help you. This is literally putting more red tape in front of more red tape….
This is all great news! So does this mean that we don’t need to register for the exam nor prep classes? Or should I just follow up with my school?
Mariela 3 years ago3 years ago
I am a B.A. in English and I of course passed the English section, but not math! I am struggling with the cbest math portion. Hopefully my school allows me to be exempt from the CBEST!
Oscar Rodriguez 3 years ago3 years ago
Degree on accounting, AA and BA bilingual and bicultural and working as aide for 15 years. It is because there are no opportunities for me to move up the ladder, doing a “teacher’s work” on daily bases and making $28,000 a year. Doing formal and official translations, but most important I am still there because I love what I do.
What should really be done is reform how the CBEST is scored. Currently for each of the section on the CBEST exam, 41 is needed to pass; however you can score as low as 37 on one section as long as you accumulate an overall score of at least 123 for a passing status. The problem with that is you can achieve a score surpassing 123 and still not have a "passing" status because … Read More
What should really be done is reform how the CBEST is scored. Currently for each of the section on the CBEST exam, 41 is needed to pass; however you can score as low as 37 on one section as long as you accumulate an overall score of at least 123 for a passing status. The problem with that is you can achieve a score surpassing 123 and still not have a “passing” status because you didn’t score at least a 37 on one of the sections. So what if you scored a 36, on one section but scored so high on two sections that your total score goes through the roof but still not pass because of that 36 scaled score? Well according to the state of California you are still unqualified and you still fail, even by one point on that section.
By all means keep the CBEST as a requirement but reform the seemingly arbitrary scoring system. Base the passing score instead on the total overall score alone.
Alvarina Medrano 3 years ago3 years ago
This article was sent to me by a past coworker that knows I have struggled to pass my CBEST test. I have a credentialed special education teacher master’s degree from Phoenix Arizona. How would I know what I still had to take to avoid the test? Thank you so much for this wonderful article.
This is great News! My dream has been to be a kindergarten teacher. I have been trying to pass the CSET for over 14 years. Waisted hundreds on dollars taking the test. I considered myself a great (teacher) substitute. I have teachers, principals, and even district admin. vouch for me. But not even that can help me pass the CSET. I want to know what would my next step be to make my dream come true.
Luis 2 years ago2 years ago
If ever this is true, i think it is good news for me. I came here in California five years ago from the Philippines. I was a junior and senior high school Mathematics teacher in my country for 19 years. I love teaching so I completed all requirements and CTC gave me a preliminary single subject permit to teach for five years. My plan is to be accepted first in the field of teaching then … Read More
If ever this is true, i think it is good news for me. I came here in California five years ago from the Philippines. I was a junior and senior high school Mathematics teacher in my country for 19 years. I love teaching so I completed all requirements and CTC gave me a preliminary single subject permit to teach for five years. My plan is to be accepted first in the field of teaching then take the CBEST exam. But when I applied in San Francisco, I just noticed that they were not concerned on my application. Even my 19 years of experiences as Math teacher and as a trainer of students, they did not consider my accomplishment. They always asked me if I have experience teaching here in California. Of course none, that is why i am applying.
I am very much disappointed after my third try of application and nothing happened. I am tired of applying but I’d like to teach. Maybe this is not for me.
This is exactly the wrong approach to take. CSET and CBEST weeds those out who don't even have basic knowledge.What they need to have done is to reduce the amount of coursework that needs to be done after you get your degree. Forcing another 2 years within a credentialing program is ridiculous. Also the fact that california doesn't honor other states' teaching credentials, if those states are just as rigorous. There are far, far too … Read More
This is exactly the wrong approach to take. CSET and CBEST weeds those out who don’t even have basic knowledge.
What they need to have done is to reduce the amount of coursework that needs to be done after you get your degree. Forcing another 2 years within a credentialing program is ridiculous. Also the fact that california doesn’t honor other states’ teaching credentials, if those states are just as rigorous. There are far, far too many hoops to jump through for jobs that pay 40-50k a year.
John 3 years ago3 years ago
What are the current requirements to get a 30 day emergency credential to substitute in grades 1-12? Is it just a bachelor’s degree now? Thanks
Hi John, this video should answer your question. https://youtu.be/Ag18pNWteAo
Sarah 3 years ago3 years ago
I will be obtaining my BA in psychology in December but I have now decided I want to be an elementary school teacher. I’m extremely confused about how to get my license. Every website tells me a different story. Does anyone have any advice? Do I have to do more schooling or am I able to just pass the required tests?
Fenicia Jacks 3 years ago3 years ago
Would this apply to School Social Workers (SSW)? I don’t understand why SSW needs to take the CBEST. It’s a ridiculous barrier and unnecessary money being spent on a test that doesn’t assess the knowledge need for our field and scoop of work in schools.
I only have a high school diploma and was in special education through most of my education. I currently work as a teacher in a Charter school. I don't think teachers should have to have a college education to teach, as long as you passed the grade level or course you want to teach then you should be eligible to teach soon after passing the course and or grade level. Most of use agree that … Read More
I only have a high school diploma and was in special education through most of my education. I currently work as a teacher in a Charter school. I don’t think teachers should have to have a college education to teach, as long as you passed the grade level or course you want to teach then you should be eligible to teach soon after passing the course and or grade level.
Most of use agree that the CBEST test which measures ones understanding of 8th grade level math, reading and writing, is not necessary to be a teacher. So if one can’t pass an 8th grade basic skills test then why in the world would you require a college degree? Let’s remove the requirement for college education. Doesn’t make sense that me a high school graduate that was labeled learning disabled can pass the CBEST but denied teaching, but a person with a college degree who can’t pass CBEST is allowed to teach, it seems elitist to me.
Then can I have my $300 back since I took the test a few years back. How are they just now understanding the overtesting for becoming a teacher? Someone owes me money!
Irmita 3 years ago3 years ago
I have a degree in Business Administration and I completed my classes in the Area of Special Education. I consider myself very knowledgeable, but my testing anxiety does not allow me to go forward. Does somebody know or have an idea how this new law can affect my case? I have been calling to my college, and they do not want to answer any question about it, their argument is “there is not enough information.”
I’ve been trying to get answers from my university as well. They gave me the same response. For whatever reason, they are still discussing the matter with the credential program how to issue with this new law in place. I have passed the math and writing sections, and the reading section is giving me issues. I am trying to use my coursework to as the bill states that acceptable coursework is allowed with a B or higher.
Díana 3 years ago3 years ago
I finished my single subject credential classes but have been struggling to pass the CSET. I called my school where I did my credential classes because they are the ones that have to help me with CSET validation and once that’s in place they will assign me to do the student teaching. They were able to help me but they said they are working on the new regulation. I should have a response by Aug. 8. Good luck.
John P 3 years ago3 years ago
To everyone complaining that this somehow "lowers" standards for teachers, it does not. Either way, a potential teacher still has to show a high degree of competency. The only difference is, they have rightly chosen to open other opportunities for teacher candidates to meet the basic skills requirements through a combination of approved college coursework in addition to sections of the CBEST one has already passed. For example, a candidate who has passed the CBEST … Read More
To everyone complaining that this somehow “lowers” standards for teachers, it does not. Either way, a potential teacher still has to show a high degree of competency. The only difference is, they have rightly chosen to open other opportunities for teacher candidates to meet the basic skills requirements through a combination of approved college coursework in addition to sections of the CBEST one has already passed.
For example, a candidate who has passed the CBEST subtest in reading and writing but not math, is allowed to show math competency by attaining a grade B or higher in a college Mathematics course. If you took one of those classes in community college before transferring the a four year university that works too. This by no means lowers the standards in any way shape or form.
Also to all those interested in applying for a 30-day substitute permit, the new policy also applies to you. So I suggest you contact your university teacher prep department and get their approval for any pertinent courses that you can use to combine with the sections of the CBEST you have already passed. In my opinion, I would still take the CBEST and do well in sections you are naturally proficient in. Some people do well in reading and writing, some people do well in Math, and some people do well in all three subtests. If you don’t pass one section, you can make up for it by passing an approved college coursework. That is the basic gist of the new policy. I hope that clarifies things a bit.
Anais 3 years ago3 years ago
Does anyone understand how the CSET requirement can be fulfilled? I have taken courses at the university and community college years ago now that I think fulfills what they want but it’s not part of my major, it was all general education classes. Does that count? Even though some would come from community college and some from the university..
The CSET requirement can be fulfilled via an appropriate subject matter preparation program through the Liberal Studies dept at some Cal States and UCs. CSUN, CSULB, CSULA, for instance, are examples of schools that offer this kind of program to waive the CSET. I’m currently in the midst of completing this program through CSULB.
This a awesome news! I am so excited to see if I qualify! My goal is to teach, but I’m not the best test taker.. so excited about this!
Alma 3 years ago3 years ago
What about students whose degree is not in the subject area they want to teach? Example, if my degree is in sociology but want to teach Spanish is there going to be an option for those students?
I have been working in the Education field since 2015. I started off as a paraeducator before becoming a substitute teacher. I have been in different classrooms and worked with different grade levels the last few years from elementary to high school, including a couple long term sub assignments. Currently, I am working as an instructional aide at a learning center for special needs students (middle school). I have filled in as head teacher here … Read More
I have been working in the Education field since 2015. I started off as a paraeducator before becoming a substitute teacher. I have been in different classrooms and worked with different grade levels the last few years from elementary to high school, including a couple long term sub assignments. Currently, I am working as an instructional aide at a learning center for special needs students (middle school). I have filled in as head teacher here as well due to teachers leaving, finding a new school, etc. This job lead me to go back to school to obtain a special education mild/moderate credential. I passed the CBEST before becoming a substitute and have passed two of the Multiple Subject CSET Subtests during the past two years. (I am actually waiting on the results for my third one at the moment).
In my opinion, these exams just don’t correlate at all to actually being in the classroom and teaching these kids. Maybe it is little different for Single-Subject, but I haven’t taught any of the information from the CSETs in the classroom except maybe some of the English and History. They just seem like an unnecessary money grab for the most part. Even without the CBEST and CSETs, you still have to earn a B.A. degree, go through a teaching program (usually 1-2 years of additional classes relating to your teaching subject), student teaching, and pass the RICA (usually the exam I hear is the most difficult for teachers to get through). That should be enough to qualify someone to be a teacher.
For individuals saying this is bad news for the students and will make a teacher incompetent to teach, give me a break. I have already met a few teachers who are credentialed that leave me wondering why they are even in the career. Some people are just good test takers, and some aren’t. Get as much experience in the field as you can before student teaching. To me, that is more beneficial than a few exams you forget about once you’re done with them. Just my two cents.
Daniel 3 years ago3 years ago
David, your comments are spot on. Teaching is my second career after working in the insurance industry for almost 27 years. I earned my bachelor's degree in computer science during that time. Now I'm pursuing my single subject English credential as well as a master's degree in teaching. I started subbing in 2018 and have gained much experience during that time. I have tried numerous times to pass the four parts … Read More
David, your comments are spot on. Teaching is my second career after working in the insurance industry for almost 27 years. I earned my bachelor’s degree in computer science during that time. Now I’m pursuing my single subject English credential as well as a master’s degree in teaching.
I started subbing in 2018 and have gained much experience during that time. I have tried numerous times to pass the four parts of the CSET English exam but to no avail. I feel my work experience, success with the English subject in high school and college, and my people skills qualify me without taking these useless exams. Will they make me a better teacher? No, not at all. Knowing your subject front and back is one thing, but people skills are another. No exam prepares you for that.
These exams are a money grab, in my opinion. I also say to those who don’t think this is good news, sorry. This is good news to those qualified to teach yet but keep hitting these roadblocks. I’m convinced the naysayers are those who already took them and are upset they didn’t have this opportunity.
David, I wish you well in your career path.
This is very upsetting. Lower teacher standards because interest in teaching is declining? How about boost the profession with a positive workplace culture and better pay? Then maybe there will be an increase in candidates.
Adriana 3 years ago3 years ago
Reading this just made my day! 🙂 I am a very knowledgeable person but when it comes to quizzes or tests my brain goes blank. I can’t wait to have my own classroom and be a productive Special Education Teacher.
When does the waiver/exemption of the CBEST/CSET go into effect? My daughter graduated from Concordia University Irvine with a Liberal Studies/Childhood Development degree this May, 2021. She passed the CBEST and has passed 1 section of CSET so far. Due to financial reasons (covid) she will student teach in January, 2022. Before she spends another $100/$200 on taking tests, does this apply to her? Her university said it does not … Read More
When does the waiver/exemption of the CBEST/CSET go into effect? My daughter graduated from Concordia University Irvine with a Liberal Studies/Childhood Development degree this May, 2021. She passed the CBEST and has passed 1 section of CSET so far. Due to financial reasons (covid) she will student teach in January, 2022. Before she spends another $100/$200 on taking tests, does this apply to her? Her university said it does not due to they applied to this in 2018 and my daughter started her degree in 2017.
I’m confused, why does the date of when they started their degree matter. I totally understand that there may be courses that need to be taken and she will take the additional classes if needed.
Thank you.Diana Lambert 3 years ago3 years ago
Hi Lisa,
The law is in effect now.Hello Diana, The bill was formed to help those who have coursework but have not cleared CSET. Now the universities are vested with the power to evaluate coursework and they are trying to fill in their pockets by evaluating the coursework of those candidates only who join their credential program and pay them a huge amount of money for the duration of the credential program ( 2 years). This way universities are becoming rich and … Read More
Hello Diana,
The bill was formed to help those who have coursework but have not cleared CSET. Now the universities are vested with the power to evaluate coursework and they are trying to fill in their pockets by evaluating the coursework of those candidates only who join their credential program and pay them a huge amount of money for the duration of the credential program ( 2 years). This way universities are becoming rich and not helping the aspiring teachers who are already prepared out of state or country. If we already have graduated from other teaching programs , we do not need to join another teaching credential program. All we need is the universities to evaluate our coursework and waive CSET but the universities will not do that as that will not help them suck more money out of the aspiring candidates. A big number of aspiring teachers have not received any help.
Randy Lollar 3 years ago3 years ago
God forbid that a teacher be actually competent in their job. Every other place in the world requires competence why not the classroom?
What about the RICA? Shouldn’t this be exempted too? I have been teaching for 3 years now and completed the induction program but was unable to take the RICA due to COVID-19. I am unable to clear my credential. Thus, I am placed on a different salary scale. Is it fair?
Connie 3 years ago3 years ago
Why would anyone want a teacher who could not pass basic tests that demonstrate they have the knowledge it takes to successfully teach? Should other occupations (doctors, nurses) lower the bar as well because some cannot pass tests? Scary thought! We should strive for excellence not settle for less. Study harder to pass the test and if you still cannot pass, an alternate profession should be considered.
Connie, I understand your argument. See here though ...I graduated with a BS in Physics and passed the CSET Physics exam but did not pass the CSET General Science which I unfortunately only had 2 courses outside of physics under my belt to support the plethora of topics within the General Science exam. To study, I used the study guide provided by the CTC, bought books, and worked on practice tests, yet the exam looked … Read More
Connie, I understand your argument. See here though …
I graduated with a BS in Physics and passed the CSET Physics exam but did not pass the CSET General Science which I unfortunately only had 2 courses outside of physics under my belt to support the plethora of topics within the General Science exam. To study, I used the study guide provided by the CTC, bought books, and worked on practice tests, yet the exam looked nothing like the practice tests nor was the content similar to the study guide.
Does this mean I am incapable of being a High School Physics teacher? No. I am fully capable of teaching physics yet I am required to pass the General Science test. It is evident that I could have used my university courses to show mastery of Physics. Unfortunately I am still deterred from teaching high school Physics because I have not fulfilled a second exam. This is where I support ridding tests. Also, my passion for teaching and my abilities to create outstanding lesson plans intended for students’ success are not demonstrated by taking a subject test. I hope this shines some light on a different POV.
Thanks for reading.
Matt 3 years ago3 years ago
But how can any science teacher not understand subject matter outside their area at least enough to pass a CSET? I teach high school chemistry & earth science & I passed all 4 of my CSETs on my 1st try. Any scientist worth their salt can easily refresh or acquire a basic understanding of other fields of science.
100%!! THANK YOU!!
Brenda Lebsack 3 years ago3 years ago
Tessa and SD Parent, thank you for your response to my comment. Standardized tests of proficiency provide objective measures, where grades (depending on the teacher and the school) can be more subjective. I had a young teacher, who just finished her elementary credential program from UCI, come to me in tears saying the program did not prepare her to teach students reading, writing or math. Instead her college classes focused on Gramsci, Hegemony, … Read More
Tessa and SD Parent, thank you for your response to my comment. Standardized tests of proficiency provide objective measures, where grades (depending on the teacher and the school) can be more subjective. I had a young teacher, who just finished her elementary credential program from UCI, come to me in tears saying the program did not prepare her to teach students reading, writing or math. Instead her college classes focused on Gramsci, Hegemony, Zinn History, social activism, and the importance of using gender neutral language.
This floored me. If this is how our colleges are preparing future teachers, then no wonder they want to lower objective measures of proficiency. The goal for education apparently now reflects the CTA teacher conferences. Rather than academic learning, the focus is on social justice, social emotional learning, human rights, analyzing your personal and emerging intersectional identities, mindfulness, creating safe spaces (that are only safe for people who agree with their radical ideologies). The direction education is going alarms me.
Tomasita Romero 3 years ago3 years ago
I have my AA /BA on liberal arts and most of my credits for teaching but I can’t further my education because I can’t pass the tests that are required. How can I get more information?
Keep testing them.
Mary S 3 years ago3 years ago
For the past 2 years, I have been in this boat. Passing the CBEST back in 2020 and struggling to pass the CSET - English for the better part of a year, this is not news. It has been near impossible to land a full-time teaching position thanks in large part to these exams and the ramifications of Covid regulations against student teachers. Knowing I am not alone in this, is a comfort. However, as … Read More
For the past 2 years, I have been in this boat. Passing the CBEST back in 2020 and struggling to pass the CSET – English for the better part of a year, this is not news. It has been near impossible to land a full-time teaching position thanks in large part to these exams and the ramifications of Covid regulations against student teachers. Knowing I am not alone in this, is a comfort. However, as a state/society that places more roadblocks instead of opportunities in front of prospective teachers is beyond frustrating. All I want to do is teach theater to the youth of America, a job I have been training for my entire adult life.
I cannot teach theater without a credential in English (go figure). I graduated with a degree in Theater Education back in 2016 from CSUF. Having been Life-Scanned/fingerprinted, done every (necessary) Mandated Reporter requirement, completed First Aid training, and over 50 hrs worth of ABA training, plus years of actual acting/directing experience, it is still not enough in the eyes of the state. Not a single professor, counselor, or rep from CSU has been able to accurately help me plan to take over a classroom. Setting up their graduates to flounder in this bureaucratic mess alone.
I cannot wait to see what the changes are so I may be able to achieve my dreams of running my own theater department and give students the same gift I have received. Time will tell.
I should have become a plumber.
If anyone else is in this boat with me or can help, please reach out to my emailHi Mary – I’m in a very similar situation and would love to talk to you about how I was able to become a teacher of record in a classroom. I’m not able to see your email address. Please respond and let me know how to get in touch!
Good to know . I tried to take the CBEST test 3 times but Covid canceled the test to maney times I just gave up. Until further notice.
Ward 3 years ago3 years ago
This is great news! I never understood how passing these test were an indication of how prepared and qualified a teacher was. However, individuals with out a credential were allowed to become substitute teachers. Many substitute teachers are allowed to substitute in schools and classrooms for months at a time. It’s not fair to allow a person to do the job of a certified teacher. Yet, receive none of the benefits.
I have my BA in Psychology, Masters in History, Masters in English Literature, now I am working for my Masters in Sociology, and also, most of my credential classes from National Universty. Have tried 3 times to pass the CBEST and I cannot. My GPA in all Universities has been from 3.5 to 3.94.
My question where it leaves me to have my own classroom?Dimitric Roseboro 3 years ago3 years ago
This article is timely. As an educator for over 30 years, relocating to California has been challenging to say the least. The testing obstacles have prevented me from obtaining credentials, although I have current licenses in other states. Hopefully, with the new requirements, I can move forward in acquiring my credentials to lead in California.
I think the tests are a protective factor for the children. The exams ensure that the students are covered by the state to ensure they have a proficient teacher. The Multiple Subject tests/CSETs are hardly a road block as they are based on 7th and 8th grade math, writing and reading. Those tests ensure specific content-knowledge so that children, who have no voice in politics, get the best there is. I passed them with proper … Read More
I think the tests are a protective factor for the children. The exams ensure that the students are covered by the state to ensure they have a proficient teacher. The Multiple Subject tests/CSETs are hardly a road block as they are based on 7th and 8th grade math, writing and reading. Those tests ensure specific content-knowledge so that children, who have no voice in politics, get the best there is. I passed them with proper study tools. But it was worth it. I know now that I am qualified.
The tests ensure objectivity in determining who gets to be a teacher in that if you passed these exams; regardless of race, sexual orientation, previous profession, work experience etc, you’re in. There is too much opportunity now for subjectivity. Are an adults dreams of becoming a teacher more important than a child’s right to a proper education from a qualified adult?
Bob 3 years ago3 years ago
The CSET for mathematics is not "based on 7th and 8th grade math" because it covers statistics and calculus (although the CBEST is at a middle school level). I have a degree in mathematics, but because I didn't take the CTC-approved slate of classes, I have to take the CSET. One of the CTC required classes is History of Math, yet none of the three CSET subtests cover this subject. It's ridiculous. The rule should … Read More
The CSET for mathematics is not “based on 7th and 8th grade math” because it covers statistics and calculus (although the CBEST is at a middle school level). I have a degree in mathematics, but because I didn’t take the CTC-approved slate of classes, I have to take the CSET. One of the CTC required classes is History of Math, yet none of the three CSET subtests cover this subject. It’s ridiculous. The rule should be: You can prove your competency in a subject by earning a degree in that subject or taking the CSET.
Requiring me to take three tests (at $100 per test) is more of a racket than an educational standard.
I completely agree with you. How are we expecting our students to become scholars if we ourselves are making excuses and exceptions when we cannot pass a standardized assessment.
Rigo 3 years ago3 years ago
I don't believe it is a move to increase the number of teachers. California is in a pension funding problem. Many people leave teaching in California and do so within the first 5 years. These are the percentage who did pass the exams, but teaching is just so dang hard sometimes that they leave anyway. I can only imagine that the state is banking on a lot of the new less invested teachers to leave … Read More
I don’t believe it is a move to increase the number of teachers. California is in a pension funding problem. Many people leave teaching in California and do so within the first 5 years. These are the percentage who did pass the exams, but teaching is just so dang hard sometimes that they leave anyway. I can only imagine that the state is banking on a lot of the new less invested teachers to leave the profession. When they leave if they do so in the first 5 years they will not become vested. They probably will take whatever money was accumulated in the CalSTRS account and exit the profession. However, districts contribute 16% on a teacher’s behalf for retirement; that money is not for individuals, individuals pay around 10%, that money is for the teacher pension not to run out of money. So when the new teachers leave (I believe many will) that 16% does not go with them, but it helps all of the people who are vested and will retire someday. This just my 2 cents, but I think that is why they are doing this.
I tell my students that many questions always boil down to one answer… $$$$$.
I passed CBEST, CSET, National Exam and have my M.ED, but I didn't complete BTSA in two years, I have one year done and was not granted an extension. So, I will never be able to teach in CA state policy . It's completely frustrating that the state says "they can't find people to pass the exam" and a position I could hold is given to someone less qualified. They would … Read More
I passed CBEST, CSET, National Exam and have my M.ED, but I didn’t complete BTSA in two years, I have one year done and was not granted an extension. So, I will never be able to teach in CA state policy . It’s completely frustrating that the state says “they can’t find people to pass the exam” and a position I could hold is given to someone less qualified. They would rather put someone in the head of the class who can’t pass the exams or have a M.ED than me because I didn’t do BTSA by the deadline. It’s a complete joke.
John P 3 years ago3 years ago
What about for people that want to be substitute teachers?
If you are interested in becoming a substitute teacher do you have to take the CBEST?
Christine 3 years ago3 years ago
Hi Valerie, this video should answer your question. https://youtu.be/Ag18pNWteAo
An opportunity to welcome more teachers to practice their profession in the classroom setting.
Joey 3 years ago3 years ago
I don’t see an issue with the CBEST and the CSETs because the CBEST is basic writing, math and reading at an 8th grade level. The CSET is everything that you could have possibly learned through your TK/K through 12th grade and courses through college. If anything the CSETs should be after you are done with almost all of the credential program after taking Peak, English, Math and Science and all that is left is … Read More
I don’t see an issue with the CBEST and the CSETs because the CBEST is basic writing, math and reading at an 8th grade level. The CSET is everything that you could have possibly learned through your TK/K through 12th grade and courses through college. If anything the CSETs should be after you are done with almost all of the credential program after taking Peak, English, Math and Science and all that is left is student teaching.
When I went through the program the CSETs were not required in 2015. Having them completed only guaranteed you entrance to the program compared to someone that has not completed them. They were put on a waitlist. If anything, the RICA should be changed which luckily they are now separating them, but that is not enough because the RICA is the true barrier from having more teachers in the system.
I read about teachers not having to take the CBEST or the CSET. Does this information apply to Educational Counseling also, because I signed up to take the CBEST in March 2021, and they cancelled the testing due to Covid 19. I had trouble passing the CBEST, the CBEST is holding me up from getting my PPS, I cannot work unless have those two.
Lisa Ravalli 3 years ago3 years ago
What about the RICA? It’s the most challenging of all the tests to obtain a teaching credential. I think there should be modifcations to this one. I know many peope who have completed all requirements other than this one (myself included). It can be a make it or break it for many of us.
Mayra 3 years ago3 years ago
Wow! I am so glad about this since, coming from a sped student and gifted as well as this has been my goal to teach TK or kindergarten. It’s true standardized tests don’t define us who we are. What defines who we are is by being able to be yourself hands on etc.
Shame on the Department of Education! I have sat for the exams. They assess the floor, not the ceiling. They are rudimentary basic skill exams. It is beyond scary that a child will be taught by someone who cannot pass basic reading and basic arithmetic tests!
Gean 3 years ago3 years ago
I can definitely see where you’re coming from as a teacher more than likely. However, this is not necessarily the case. As a teacher you should know that not everyone tests well. Likewise, not everyone who passes them is a good teacher. I know some horrible teachers who passed it. In my case, I have two masters degrees, but always missed them by a couple of points. These tests don’t prove who will be a … Read More
I can definitely see where you’re coming from as a teacher more than likely. However, this is not necessarily the case. As a teacher you should know that not everyone tests well. Likewise, not everyone who passes them is a good teacher. I know some horrible teachers who passed it.
In my case, I have two masters degrees, but always missed them by a couple of points. These tests don’t prove who will be a good teacher. Although I agree that the relaxing of testing will probably open doors to potentially bad teachers, I think that principals and coordinators should make the final call in signing off on someone based on hands-on competency.
Those who are saying it's just basic reading and math, Stop being prissy! Get off your high horses!! Some people can't pass the test. Not because they're not competent enough to be a teacher, but because they clam up when they take major tests!! Many people have dreamed of becoming a teacher, got a degree in education but didn't get their license because of the stupid tests! I got A's and B's in college. … Read More
Those who are saying it’s just basic reading and math, Stop being prissy! Get off your high horses!! Some people can’t pass the test. Not because they’re not competent enough to be a teacher, but because they clam up when they take major tests!!
Many people have dreamed of becoming a teacher, got a degree in education but didn’t get their license because of the stupid tests! I got A’s and B’s in college. I couldn’t pass the licensure exam for the state I was in at the time. Because of the short time before graduation, I didn’t have enough time to retake the exam. I didn’t get my license but I was able to graduate on time.
k8t 2 years ago2 years ago
Yes Char!! People on here whining about the test need to study harder or maybe teaching isn’t for you. Scary.
This is one of the dumbest changes to the process of becoming an educator I have seen. The CBEST is frankly very “basic” and if you can’t pass that maybe you shouldn’t be educating our children. Along with that the CSET requires some studying and a work ethic that is just a fraction of the amount of effort you are going to need when you are a teacher. Removing these tests is unfortunately not going … Read More
This is one of the dumbest changes to the process of becoming an educator I have seen. The CBEST is frankly very “basic” and if you can’t pass that maybe you shouldn’t be educating our children. Along with that the CSET requires some studying and a work ethic that is just a fraction of the amount of effort you are going to need when you are a teacher. Removing these tests is unfortunately not going to benefit our children which is the whole point of being an educator. I hope the people that pushed to allow this change are ashamed of themselves.
Kathy 3 years ago3 years ago
Rachel, you are so right. Some people here miss the point that basic subject matter exams are necessary for future teachers to demonstrate their knowledge. These exams are not the only way teachers demonstrate they can teach but without subject matter competency, future students of these under-prepared teachers will suffer. This will turn into a cycle of poor education. It is embarrassing to see people comment on this article admit they cannot pass these exams.
The RICA needs to be rewritten. Reading instruction is important but the test is poorly written with excessive extraneous language embedded. Creat a new version with the needed questions and a straightforward study guide
Lynda Labendeira 3 years ago3 years ago
Let’s get passionate teachers in the classroom. Everyone knows the biases many of these exams hold. Smaller class sizes for the care, safety and education of all children.
As a veteran teacher, I applaud this move. The tests are ridiculously expensive and redundant. I have a degree in my content area from a UC, and still had to take all of the subject matter tests, because apparently earning a college degree in my subject area was not proof of subject matter competence. The cost for these exams 20 years ago was over $700, and this was before I could begin my teacher training … Read More
As a veteran teacher, I applaud this move. The tests are ridiculously expensive and redundant. I have a degree in my content area from a UC, and still had to take all of the subject matter tests, because apparently earning a college degree in my subject area was not proof of subject matter competence. The cost for these exams 20 years ago was over $700, and this was before I could begin my teacher training program. Good move to start using transcripts rather than an expensive high stakes exam process.
Mary L. Milan 3 years ago3 years ago
What a blessing. I’ve taught Preschool for 18 years and completed my credentials in June. Masters in November 2021. I attempted CBEST and CSET with no success, it’s not a barrier anymore. My funds of knowledge is my oath to be a great teacher and support diversity of learners. Today is a Win for all future teachers who are diverse ❤
As many that have responded here, I am totally against watering down the system. When I "studied" for my CBEST & CSET, I used the "FOR DUMMIES" series "What Every 4th, 5th, & 6th Grader needs to know," and I passed on the first try even though I had been out of school for 20 years. This is taking education in the wrong direction.I agree the RICA is out of date, and our teacher prep … Read More
As many that have responded here, I am totally against watering down the system. When I “studied” for my CBEST & CSET, I used the “FOR DUMMIES” series “What Every 4th, 5th, & 6th Grader needs to know,” and I passed on the first try even though I had been out of school for 20 years. This is taking education in the wrong direction.
I agree the RICA is out of date, and our teacher prep programs should be opening up the instruction for dyslexia basics and the Science of Reading. Right now, CA is one of 7 remaining states that does not mandate dyslexia screening. CA Ed Chair Assemblyman O’Donnell failed to place it on the committee’s agenda.
Yes, newbie educators are either not prepared or under a false impression of the classroom which leaves our campuses with a revolving door. And, as Robert stated, aim reform at admin and state officials. Let’s stop making it easy for our students to fail and let us collectively do what is right.
Aubrey Ford 3 years ago3 years ago
What about the kids that are learning disabled that need mentors like them to understand them? The system discriminate against teachers with learning disabilities. I understand it’s a standardized test but for instance I want to be a physical educator. I’m dyslexic so I don’t write the best but I can definitely teach motor patterns, movement patterns and social skills with the best of them. But instead school districts get to use me on the … Read More
What about the kids that are learning disabled that need mentors like them to understand them? The system discriminate against teachers with learning disabilities. I understand it’s a standardized test but for instance I want to be a physical educator. I’m dyslexic so I don’t write the best but I can definitely teach motor patterns, movement patterns and social skills with the best of them. But instead school districts get to use me on the cheap and put me in add position and then use my skill set anyways because they know I care!
I personally think the school districts miss out when they don’t hire teachers with disabilities because they miss out on that spectrum of teacher who can mentor students like them rather than a teacher that doesn’t understand and has never walked a day in our shoes.
This is unfortunate. The level of the CBEST exam is very "basic." A high school graduate should easily pass the exam. The fact that future teachers do not have to take and pass this exam (or satisfy this through the SAT or other exam) is embarrassing. I am a person who trains future secondary mathematics teachers. The CSET exams test competency in the knowledge of concepts of mathematics. The exams are necessary to stop … Read More
This is unfortunate. The level of the CBEST exam is very “basic.” A high school graduate should easily pass the exam. The fact that future teachers do not have to take and pass this exam (or satisfy this through the SAT or other exam) is embarrassing.
I am a person who trains future secondary mathematics teachers. The CSET exams test competency in the knowledge of concepts of mathematics. The exams are necessary to stop unqualified people from entering into teaching mathematics. I already see many students arriving to college with poor mathematical skills. Lowering the bar on the knowledge that mathematics teachers need to know is a terrible idea. The CSET is a “barrier” that is meant to keep people who are unprepared out of our classrooms. Not everyone should be a mathematics teacher; desire is not enough. The current CSET exams are reasonable; I took them again a few years ago to see the level of the exam.
I think this will hurt California students.
CA Resident 3 years ago3 years ago
Kathy, I agree wholeheartedly! This move will harm students in the long run. Yes, teaching is about more than passing tests. If someone cannot pass the CA Bar Exam, do we get rid of the Bar and allow them to practice law anyway? So many professions require tests to officially become licensed. All this does is water down a procession that has already lost a lot of respect. I believe the teacher shortage has much … Read More
Kathy,
I agree wholeheartedly! This move will harm students in the long run. Yes, teaching is about more than passing tests.If someone cannot pass the CA Bar Exam, do we get rid of the Bar and allow them to practice law anyway? So many professions require tests to officially become licensed. All this does is water down a procession that has already lost a lot of respect.
I believe the teacher shortage has much more to do with the current conditions of our schools, but our state officials have no interest in tackling those issues. It is much easier to churn and burn through teachers. Ultimately the students are the ones being shortchanged.
I don't want to hear people saying that "oh, if you can't pass the CBEST or CSET, don't bother being a teacher at all." No. Just stop. You don't know everyone's situation. There are potential teachers who have test anxiety, there are those who don't have enough money to retake them, etc. Tests are not supposed to determine our competency or the pathway of our futures, so enough with that mindset. You do not have … Read More
I don’t want to hear people saying that “oh, if you can’t pass the CBEST or CSET, don’t bother being a teacher at all.” No. Just stop. You don’t know everyone’s situation. There are potential teachers who have test anxiety, there are those who don’t have enough money to retake them, etc. Tests are not supposed to determine our competency or the pathway of our futures, so enough with that mindset. You do not have the right to tell us we shouldn’t be teachers because of a test.
I did not take Liberal Studies for 5 years and obtain my bachelor’s degree only for someone to say that I shouldn’t be a teacher because of some test. Taking college courses to prove our worth and potential as teachers is more than enough. We don’t only need the academic experience and certain level of intelligence to become teachers, but we need a heart to work as one.
My aunt has attempted to take the CBEST, but has failed several times to the point where she had to leave behind her goal of being a primary school teacher and teach at a preschool instead.
As teachers, we don’t just teach students whatever the Common Core Standards tell us to teach. We must also be able to support our students and their parents in any way we can. We must help students develop linguistically, physically, and socially/emotionally.
Karla Contreras 3 years ago3 years ago
I totally agree with you. The tests are unnecessary. Teachers should be able to prove their skills by submitting college transcripts. These tests are all about making money. When I was getting my credential I had to take the CBEST, CSET, 4 different TPAs, and the RICA. I shoved out who knows how much money for all of that. And the still had to pay for a 2 year program that cost thousands of dollars … Read More
I totally agree with you. The tests are unnecessary. Teachers should be able to prove their skills by submitting college transcripts. These tests are all about making money.
When I was getting my credential I had to take the CBEST, CSET, 4 different TPAs, and the RICA. I shoved out who knows how much money for all of that. And the still had to pay for a 2 year program that cost thousands of dollars to clear my credential. It’s so ridiculous.
I have mixed feelings about this. I felt the CBEST was a minimal screening for basic skills, and should be retained. The CSETS, on the other hand, are of limited applicability for certain areas of teaching. I passed all three on my first try, and additionally have an MS in teaching, but have never found the need to use my knowledge of cyanobacteria, hemiolas, Petrarchan sonnets, or political structures of the Harappan civilization to teach … Read More
I have mixed feelings about this. I felt the CBEST was a minimal screening for basic skills, and should be retained. The CSETS, on the other hand, are of limited applicability for certain areas of teaching. I passed all three on my first try, and additionally have an MS in teaching, but have never found the need to use my knowledge of cyanobacteria, hemiolas, Petrarchan sonnets, or political structures of the Harappan civilization to teach elementary mild/moderate special education – yet all of these came up on my CSET preparation. The RICA, on the other hand – essential to my everyday teaching.
It is certainly absurd to require teachers of moderate/special education to take the CSETs. Their requirements can and should be managed through a different process. I do support a rigorous credentialing process for teachers – but with the application of reason and logic related to subject matter the teacher will actually be utilizing in the classroom.
Eshe 3 years ago3 years ago
Finally, a statement that makes sense! I have a dual MA, ECE/ ECSE. I have also taught mod/sev for 3 years. I passed my tests but found no use for them in the classroom. I took the RICA during my 2nd year teaching. I used all of my reading strategies that I used with my students to pass the test. I often wonder that if it was not for my “bag of strategies” with real … Read More
Finally, a statement that makes sense! I have a dual MA, ECE/ ECSE. I have also taught mod/sev for 3 years. I passed my tests but found no use for them in the classroom. I took the RICA during my 2nd year teaching. I used all of my reading strategies that I used with my students to pass the test. I often wonder that if it was not for my “bag of strategies” with real students if I too would have failed the test. The reason is because my coworker who teaches science is required to take the RICA and she has failed it several times. She teaches middle school science not reading instruction! This has caused her not to earn her full credential. I’m not sure how it’s fair that she needs RICA.
I completed all course work for the credential as well as passed the RICA about 10 years ago, but have not been able to pass two parts of the CSET. Can I apply for my credential? I have already had an emergency credential in previous years.
Elsy Garcia 3 years ago3 years ago
I’m excited for this news as I am getting ready to take my first CBEST exam tomorrow.
Wow! This is the greatest news of the century for me. I don't know about those who are complaining that doing away with CEBEST and CSET is lowering the standard for teachers. Excuse me? If somebody has spent four years in a college to get a Bachelor's degree and another two years in a credentialing program, isn't that enough preparation to become a teacher? I have been teaching as a provisional teacher for the past … Read More
Wow! This is the greatest news of the century for me. I don’t know about those who are complaining that doing away with CEBEST and CSET is lowering the standard for teachers. Excuse me? If somebody has spent four years in a college to get a Bachelor’s degree and another two years in a credentialing program, isn’t that enough preparation to become a teacher?
I have been teaching as a provisional teacher for the past three years. I have my Bachelor’s; have completed my course work in a credentialing program and also got my Master’s in Special Education, Moderate/Severe Disabilities but I’m still stuck on one subset of CSET. Does that make me dumb? Heck no! I’m a good teacher and have excellent classroom management.
To start castigating CTC that taking off CEBEST and CSET from the requirements is horrific, a disservice to students. I have come across a number of teachers with multiple credentials and yet don’t know what they’re doing in the classroom. Moreover, it says you have to have completed a college course work with at least a B in the subject area so it’s not as if CTC is lowering the standards per se. I have been in the classroom as a teacher’s assistant, a substitute teacher, and a provisional teacher; these two exams do not make you a good teacher or help you in the classroom. Just because you had to take all those during your own time does not mean others must go through the same unnecessary process.
So for those of you who are mad at CTC, get off your high horse and chill.
Chris 3 years ago3 years ago
The problem with teacher shortages is California has far too many tests required to get a credential. The commission ignores the bachelor degree which is the minimum schooling required. Then it is ignorant to the fact of all the required additional classes and money a student has to spend.
As a veteran teacher, this horrifies me. Our children deserve intelligent, well prepared teachers. To receive my credential I passed the CBEST, CSET and the RICA, all on the first try. Those not able to pass the CBEST which we were told is at an 8th grade level should not be in the teaching profession. We had a new teacher one year that told a student teacher of mine “not to worry about his grades, … Read More
As a veteran teacher, this horrifies me. Our children deserve intelligent, well prepared teachers. To receive my credential I passed the CBEST, CSET and the RICA, all on the first try. Those not able to pass the CBEST which we were told is at an 8th grade level should not be in the teaching profession. We had a new teacher one year that told a student teacher of mine “not to worry about his grades, that D’s get degrees.” This teacher took her CSETs numerous times and believe me it showed in her students. Would you like to have a teacher who squeaked by in college teacher your kids or grandkids, not me.
Future teacher 3 years ago3 years ago
Yes our students do deserve intelligent teachers. That being said California has some of the lowest testing scores, which is a reflection of the teachers because the students are being taught by these intelligent teachers who have passed all of these test and the students are still getting below average scores.
These test mean nothing and California is the only state that requires these non-needed tests. If they were needed then all the states should require them, not just California.
Hello! I see all of these teachers who have passed these exams complaining that the CBEST and CSET should stay. What I find funny is that California is the only state that requires all of this testing. If a person is smart enough to get their bachelor or master's, then that should be enough! These tests don't define if someone is going to be an outstanding teacher. Teachers gain most of their experience in the … Read More
Hello! I see all of these teachers who have passed these exams complaining that the CBEST and CSET should stay. What I find funny is that California is the only state that requires all of this testing. If a person is smart enough to get their bachelor or master’s, then that should be enough! These tests don’t define if someone is going to be an outstanding teacher. Teachers gain most of their experience in the classroom. And before anyone says anything I passed my CBEST and felt like the test was uncalled for and a waste of time and money.
Gean 3 years ago3 years ago
Great comment! Don’t be discouraged by the naysayers. Making it easier for people to become teachers is not a bad move. You’re completely right in thinking that completing your bachelor’s or master’s should be proof enough of competency as these degrees likewise have tests and tasks to complete.
This is great! These tests do not make great teachers but rather prevent potential great teachers from joining the field. It’s time to start looking at our college grades instead. Now let’s remove the RICA and replace it with a required college course instead. That way teachers are ready to teach reading skills from the get-go.
Jennifer Hudson 3 years ago3 years ago
This is great news!! These tests are biased against minority students. Now minorities have more opportunities to become teachers. Our B.A degrees should be proof enough of our reading, math, and writing abilities. The timed tests can be stressful and overwhelming for some. Not everyone is able to pass a test under pressure.
I am very concerned about state lowering the standards for new teachers. I passed the CBEST on my first try. It is not a difficult test as it measures basic English skills. It is worth mentioning English is my second language.I passed the CSET on my second try. I missed the first time by 6 points. This is a difficult test. I have now taught elementary for 20 years. I believe that lowering standards for … Read More
I am very concerned about state lowering the standards for new teachers. I passed the CBEST on my first try. It is not a difficult test as it measures basic English skills. It is worth mentioning English is my second language.
I passed the CSET on my second try. I missed the first time by 6 points. This is a difficult test.
I have now taught elementary for 20 years. I believe that lowering standards for new teachers is not the answer. Teaching is difficult and we need bright educated candidates to teach. Perhaps preparation for these assessments should be administered as part of teacher credentialing programs. Unprepared teachers quit within 5 years. Let’s not aggravate the problem by lowering the standards of our profession.Anita Flemington 3 years ago3 years ago
Although this is a good thing for our teacher education candidates, it will also be additional work for institutions of higher education. We are currently trying to figure out a tracking system for this information. I am working with other institutions to see how they are implementing a tracking system.
As a teacher who has 3 credentials, 2 specialized authorizations, an MA in Education and a "highly qualified" certification from two states, I find these watered down requirements into the teaching profession to be horrific and a disservice to students. We tell our students to be resilient and to never give up. That means if you fail a test or a class, study harder and take it again. It does not mean authorities should … Read More
As a teacher who has 3 credentials, 2 specialized authorizations, an MA in Education and a “highly qualified” certification from two states, I find these watered down requirements into the teaching profession to be horrific and a disservice to students.
We tell our students to be resilient and to never give up. That means if you fail a test or a class, study harder and take it again. It does not mean authorities should lower the bar.
What other profession keeps lowering qualifications yet increasing salaries and benefits? Does the state want teachers to become high paid educational facilitators of prepackaged state materials? Does the state want decreased critical thinkers in the field and teachers who will just “do as they’re told?”
As of 2018, the average California teacher salary is $83k (it’s more now), benefits and retirement is on top of that salary. This salary includes 14 weeks off for summers and holidays. Those who teach summer school, coach, or tutor can easily raise that annual pay substantially.
Most of my teacher friends in OC make more than $100K a year. Plus teachers can be granted full tenure (union protection) after only 18 months of contracted work. With all of these perks, I do not think requirements for the teaching profession should be lowering. After all, for the sake of “equity” does this mean all professions will soon “lower their standards?” Will future brain surgeons not have to pass tests of proficiency before operating on people’s heads? Teachers may not be using a physical scalpel, but their proven skill, expertise, and resilient work ethic are just as important, because they are helping form the future leaders of our nation.
Tessa gordon 3 years ago3 years ago
For someone so educated I am incredibly surprised by your comment. Tests are not an indicator of knowledge and are completely inequitable. I hope you can reassess your opinions and try to see why removing these tests is an important move.
I agree. Teachers' unions constantly compare a teacher's importance to lawyers, doctors, and other professionals when complaining about unfair compensation. But lawyers, doctors, and many other professionals have to pass certification tests to prove competency before they are allowed to work in their professions, even when the tests are challenging (first-time passage rate for the CA bar is 53%). If teachers want their profession to be taken seriously, lowering the standards of … Read More
I agree. Teachers’ unions constantly compare a teacher’s importance to lawyers, doctors, and other professionals when complaining about unfair compensation. But lawyers, doctors, and many other professionals have to pass certification tests to prove competency before they are allowed to work in their professions, even when the tests are challenging (first-time passage rate for the CA bar is 53%). If teachers want their profession to be taken seriously, lowering the standards of the profession doesn’t help them – or their students.
I see this as just another example of dumbing-down education in California rather than holding anyone accountable for student outcomes. Other examples include allowing high school students to “graduate” with a 1.75 GPA and the CSUs reconsidering the math graduation requirement – all because it’s “too hard.” These all also punt the entire concept of “resilience,” which is supposed to be one of the critical soft-skill indicators for future success.
California used to have a public education system that was the envy of the nation. The lament has been that low funding was the problem, but there is no evidence to suggest that lowering standards for everyone involved then substantially increasing funding (which is now stimulating school employee pay raises across the state) will improve student outcomes.
Brian Foster 3 years ago3 years ago
What a sad day for California students. Anyone with good grades out of middle school should be able to pass the CBEST, and if not, then they should not be teaching students. Teacher candidates who cannot pass CBEST will likely be modeling bad grammar and show confusion with math problems as a school teacher.As for the CSET single subject tests, they are indeed rigorous and measure the teacher candidate's content knowledge: precisely that which teachers … Read More
What a sad day for California students. Anyone with good grades out of middle school should be able to pass the CBEST, and if not, then they should not be teaching students. Teacher candidates who cannot pass CBEST will likely be modeling bad grammar and show confusion with math problems as a school teacher.
As for the CSET single subject tests, they are indeed rigorous and measure the teacher candidate’s content knowledge: precisely that which teachers will need to teach their students. By eliminating this test, the state will be putting teachers in the classroom who have no mastery of the State-required curriculum. Of course, there will be some teachers who have mastered the material, but those who have not will no longer be screened out. I can only imagine the resulting loss in student learning.
My comparative observations and conclusions are based on taking a variety of standardized tests, including the GREs to attend graduate school at the University of California. The CSETs are on par with the GREs while the CBEST is a joke.
Does this apply to those of us receiving a service credential, like our PPSC? It would not make sense if it did not.
AR 3 years ago3 years ago
I am wondering the same. As a first gen graduate, I had to change my career trajectory from K-12 counseling to higher ed and don't get me wrong it's been great! However, I miss high school work and the kids. PPSC programs requiring CBEST rather than taking my transcript in consideration was always an obstacle. Took me 9 years to complete my undergrad. No one ever suggested to me to get ahead and take the … Read More
I am wondering the same. As a first gen graduate, I had to change my career trajectory from K-12 counseling to higher ed and don’t get me wrong it’s been great! However, I miss high school work and the kids.
PPSC programs requiring CBEST rather than taking my transcript in consideration was always an obstacle. Took me 9 years to complete my undergrad. No one ever suggested to me to get ahead and take the CBEST 2 years into college, might have passed then. Nonetheless, I hope programs will follow this as well and utilize our transcripts as satisfactory.
I am a veteran California teacher of eighteen years (believe it or not). I earned my education specialist credential (mild-moderate) in 2003 though 2006 by means of a district internship. I have been professional clear for fifteen years (believe it or not). I passed all the tests mentioned in this article on the first attempt. My feeling is that the teacher shortage is the result of problems in retention more than recruitment. Too many … Read More
I am a veteran California teacher of eighteen years (believe it or not). I earned my education specialist credential (mild-moderate) in 2003 though 2006 by means of a district internship. I have been professional clear for fifteen years (believe it or not). I passed all the tests mentioned in this article on the first attempt.
My feeling is that the teacher shortage is the result of problems in retention more than recruitment. Too many qualified, trained teachers have been trained, used, mistreated, and then driven off. I’m just more tenacious and self-confident than most. I’m a teacher bandito, because that is what it takes to outsmart the jefe. In some districts, earning a credential might shorten your career: Teachers with emergency credentials often do better in some positions.
The state Assembly is choosing to feed the mistreat-and-churn system at higher rates rather than confront the problems that lead to the high rates of teacher attrition. They’re playing dumb and so are the state’s educational leaders. The rate of attrition is almost at the same rate as recruitment.
Working as a teacher in California is about the worst experience a person can have. There can’t be many jobs that are worse. It’s a very disrespectful work environment. The students are delightful but relationships between faculty and administration are abysmal. Relationships among the faculty are not much better.
The system insults the teacher’s intelligence at every step. This bill is just going full circle. There is no innovation. The CTC is basically returning to the approach in place before NCLB arrived in 2002. There is nothing new under the sun. I would aim reform efforts at principals, superintendents. state administrators, and school boards. They are the causes of the teacher shortage. Then you could look at the true root cause, which is the legacy of Reaganomics.
BRIDGET BURTON 3 years ago3 years ago
You are so right! CA teachers are recycled in a 12-18 month time period, and non-renewed right before the possibility of tenure. Many districts only offer temporary contracts now. Probationary teachers have no rights at all - CTA won't help you - ha! Only tenured teachers have any protections against layoffs, so they make sure you never obtain it! You are also male, Robert. There is a gender preference happening as well. Males are … Read More
You are so right! CA teachers are recycled in a 12-18 month time period, and non-renewed right before the possibility of tenure. Many districts only offer temporary contracts now. Probationary teachers have no rights at all – CTA won’t help you – ha! Only tenured teachers have any protections against layoffs, so they make sure you never obtain it! You are also male, Robert. There is a gender preference happening as well. Males are tenured at higher rates than females. Do the research. You make excellent points in your comment – thank you.
It is good to not totally disband the tests. Teachers need to know their subject to teach it. Teachers need basic skills to show minimum competency in reading, math, and writing or they should not be in a classroom. So, a potential teacher that can show these skills in coursework or test or a combination is needed. This is a good update. I do not want the quality professional bar for teachers to be lowered. … Read More
It is good to not totally disband the tests. Teachers need to know their subject to teach it. Teachers need basic skills to show minimum competency in reading, math, and writing or they should not be in a classroom. So, a potential teacher that can show these skills in coursework or test or a combination is needed. This is a good update.
I do not want the quality professional bar for teachers to be lowered. There are some people that would might make good teachers, but if they do not posses the basic skills, they need to look into another career or work in private schools that do not need a professional teacher credential. As a long-term teacher, I do not want to see new teachers coming in that do not know their subject, cannot do basic math, or cannot write a basic email without several errors.
Frances O'Neill Zimmerman 3 years ago3 years ago
Dropping the CBEST? It is a rudimentary exam that assures only that a teacher candidate be basically literate and numerate. If passing CBEST is an obstacle, more preparation is required, not getting rid of the exam.Complicated alternatives described here are incomprehensible and doubtless lower the floor for standard literacy and numeracy skills among teachers. If there is a California teacher shortage, we should raise teacher pay and reduce the number of students in every … Read More
Dropping the CBEST? It is a rudimentary exam that assures only that a teacher candidate be basically literate and numerate. If passing CBEST is an obstacle, more preparation is required, not getting rid of the exam.
Complicated alternatives described here are incomprehensible and doubtless lower the floor for standard literacy and numeracy skills among teachers. If there is a California teacher shortage, we should raise teacher pay and reduce the number of students in every classroom – classes smaller than our present 35 kids. It is folly to dumb-down rock-bottom-low teacher credentialing requirements and to call that progress.
,Wow!!! Yay!! Made my day.
Any idea if early childhood education director permit (which I hold) will be taken into consideration for TK teachers? I love teaching pre-K /TK age. I am not a teacher as yet, and cannot wait to be one.
I will student teaching in Fall. The removal of CSET and CBEST (although I passed CBEST) is a huge relief!
Richard Cranium 3 years ago3 years ago
If you can’t pass the CBEST, maybe you should not be a teacher. The average high school student can, or at least should be able to, pass it.
And, competency exams on subject matter? Highly qualified under NCLB was a joke, but leaving the RICA and getting rid of subject matter is just dumB with a capital B.
I passed the CBEST without studying with flying colors but that doesn’t mean people who are incredibly intelligent and completely qualified to teach may not pass. There is such a thing as stress anxiety. It’s real. And you can be an incredibly teacher and still have test anxiety. Standardized tests are inequitable
Kat 3 years ago3 years ago
People who are very intelligent will not have any problem passing the CBEST and CSET even with test anxiety. Almost everyone has some anxiety taking these exams ... that's just being human. But to say these tests are not equitable is nonsense because the topics tested are standard. I want my children's teachers to be able to exhibit their subject matter competency. If someone cannot show their knowledge on these exams, then they most definitely … Read More
People who are very intelligent will not have any problem passing the CBEST and CSET even with test anxiety. Almost everyone has some anxiety taking these exams … that’s just being human. But to say these tests are not equitable is nonsense because the topics tested are standard. I want my children’s teachers to be able to exhibit their subject matter competency. If someone cannot show their knowledge on these exams, then they most definitely will not be able to teach students well.
I am super excited. 6 years ago I could not pass my CBEST while teaching an SDC classroom. Thinking of passing the CSET when I have to struggle to pass the CBEST just discouraged me from pursuing my educational specialist career/ psychologist. I was very upset, I ended with a master's in Ed without my credentials even though I was good in the classroom with my temporary credential for 2 years. I feel like jumping … Read More
I am super excited. 6 years ago I could not pass my CBEST while teaching an SDC classroom. Thinking of passing the CSET when I have to struggle to pass the CBEST just discouraged me from pursuing my educational specialist career/ psychologist. I was very upset, I ended with a master’s in Ed without my credentials even though I was good in the classroom with my temporary credential for 2 years.
I feel like jumping back to do my credential or psychologist. Which we have a serious shortage in California. I will talk to my school and see my options. I love interacting with the kids. This is good news.
Alice Philips 3 years ago3 years ago
Do you know how this will affect other candidates like school counselors, etc., who were also mandated to take the CBEST?
This is terribly embarrassing to the profession. The fact that so many potential teachers could not opt of these tests in the first place by passing the meager testing requirements was shameful (basically the lower half of college bound students). And then so many cannot pass the replacement tests that they replaced them with a subjective and easier standard. What does that tell parents about the academic achievement and education of teachers?
K8t 2 years ago2 years ago
BOOM! Exactly! This is pathetic. Reading the comments on here is even worse. When you can’t pass the basic tests to enter the field what does that tell you? In California they will just dumb it down for you. Makes sense why these people aren’t passing it in the first place ….. the system is broken.
I have 18+ Montessori credentials and a bachelor’s degree from India. Can I become a teacher at public school?
Becky Marchant 3 years ago3 years ago
This is big news! Do you know if this also applies to school counseling programs as well? I work in a graduate program for school counseling credential if in California.
The RICA assessment is worse than the CBEST and CSET. It is completely outdated, and extremely unfair to candidates that do not have English as their first language. As an educator for over twenty years, this “test” does nothing to show competency to teach reading. It’s a money-making machine for the state.
So, I want to be an English teacher for highs school. I have passed 2 of the exams. In order to get my single-subject credentials, I need a BA in English? I got my BA in educational studies. I took several English classes at a Jr. college, but now I’m confused. I’m happy but now I’m worried about what schools might do to “help” those seeking a credentials.
Julie 3 years ago3 years ago
This is great! My question is for those of us who graduated from college a long time ago and now just want to be a substitute teacher and don’t have a credential program, how do you get your transcripts reviewed or see if your old coursework qualifies to be able to skip the CBEST?
That’s exactly my same question as well. I graduated with my BA in Multidisciplinary Studies and would love to just be a substitute teacher for when I choose to.
Christine 3 years ago3 years ago
Hi Julie, this video should answer your question. https://youtu.be/Ag18pNWteAo
